FEMA Says Founding Fathers Are Terrorists.
August 24th, 2008 | 471 wordcountThe video below is a few years ago, but it’s still shocking. A FEMA agent in Oklahoma tells local police that our Founding Fathers were the first terrorists. He also goes onto imply that Christians are terrorists and that when people are “passionate about something, they are hard to defeat.”
First of all, does anyone else find it SAD and IRONIC that cops, in our ONCE great nation, which they are supposed to love and be patriotic about, are agreeing with this FEMA agent that our Founding Fathers were terrorists? Where would America be without them? This is a slap to the face of the Red, White and Blue stripes that we could once be proud of.
Is this FEMA agent really insinuating that America was born out of something that we now equate with the attacks of 9/11?
Our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves.
Second of all, Christians are terrorists? How did we go from the popular belief that Muslim extremists are terrorists (something I don’t believe, by the way) to CHRISTIANS being the terrorists? Christians that make up MOST of this country. I said it before, and I’ll say it again: We The People are now the terrorists.
I’m not Christian but I recognize their rights, their sentiment and their passion. And I also know that many Christians await the day where the government will prosecute them and they won’t even be allowed to worship in public, or even behind closed doors the way they want to. Kids are already getting in trouble for praying over their lunch at schools. Tell me by what’s being said in this video that they don’t have the RIGHT and the REASON to be paranoid now.
And also since I mentioned passion — he says that a passionate person is hard to defeat. Okay then, allow me to take my prescription drugs that make me a drone and not feel anything. Or be too mellowed out to do anything. The same drugs the government funded schools have been giving kids at young ages for YEARS to “settle them down in class” and whatnot, where these children later on chop it up, snort it and become addicted.
My point? I believe that the government has been stomping out passion for years. Because that FEMA agent in the video is right, passionate people are hard to defeat — not just passionate Christians. But being passionate doesn’t mean that you’re a lethal person, it just means you feel strong in what you believe in. Someone thats so passionate that they are willing to DIE for their cause gets things done — even if they are being dragged to the chopping block and stand strong in their unwaivering beliefs, whatever they may be. That is passion, and that changes things.
Anyway, I won’t say anything else. I’ll let the video speak for itself.
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It’s just so.. creepy. I don’t even know what to say or think.
It is.
This FEMA fuck pissed me off so bad. Who would have the nerve to call our founding fathers terrorists. I would gladly give up my liberty to slice this fuckers throat in front of masses and I would feel like I did something patriotic for this country. Its time people stop sleeping and start preparing for what is heading our way. People with the mindset the same as this FEMA agent are NOT TRUE AMERICANS. They in fact are the REAL terrorists and need to be met with lead. As the so called “terrorist” Thomas Jefferson said “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” This FEMA agent is a tyrant.
It’s not just him, it’s the entire system. But saying things like you’d love to slice his throat in front of the masses etcetc - believe me I understand your sentiment, but it makes me wary of you and people who are prone to violence. Why? The government likes to incite riots.
http://ritualistic.org/2008/07/29/operation-garden-plot-activated/
This talks about the government inciting riots and whatnot. They will pose as protesters trying to get violence started so that it gives them the right to attack us and make us look wrong. Now don’t get me wrong, I am not against revolution and sometimes violence is the only way to go about that — as history has told us time and again.
But there’s a time and a place, and it isn’t yet. Not enough people are fed up — or maybe people are TOO fed.. with stupidity and television and TV dinners.
But sooner or later somethings gotta give. And the revolution will not be televised.
And if you feel so strongly about it please help get the word out. Take this video and post it on your own blog.
That is not only sad but down right offensive. I am a Christian, and for someone to say that just because I feel passionate about my Lord and Saviour makes me a terrorist and equal to that of the scum who inflicted the pains of 9/11 is just insulting! SMH. I think the country wants to blame someone, ANYONE for the things that they are sufferin but Good God, we cannot resort to chopping down our own men. Everyone wants to point fingers. If you’re so infuriated why don’t you look within yourself a bit and make sure YOURE right before you go blaming folks in history and religious groups . SMH just insulting.
You may take this video and put it on your blog if you feel that strongly.
Also I think that was the plan from the beginning. To chop down the American people and rebuild a new type of America. Our guns are being taken away, it’s becoming obvious that being a Christian is a horrible thing, our rights are being trampled on, our phones are being tapped, and let’s not get into Rex 84 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
We have been “chopped down” for a while - and the plan to chop us down has been being perfected even longer then that.
Well, I’m going to take a swing at this topic from the opposite direction.
I fully agree with most of what that guys says. Hell, I’m actually proud to call our Founding Fathers terrorists. Because by the definitions given by sovereign states throughout history, that is what they started as. they happened to be lucky enough to get everyone else on the same page an create a revolution.
His points about Christianity and terrorism are also spot on. Religion happens to be a fairly common factor for groups involved in terrorism (however it should be noted that the majority of suicide attacks have been carried out by secular groups). And it IS passionate belief that inspires almost all events which can be labeled terrorist in nature. What he is demonstrating is that a person who commits this sort of act believes just as strongly that they are right as we do that they are wrong.
I also think the founding fathers are resting peacefully. They did realize that what they were doing was treason, and that the only punishment if they failed was swift death.
I think what people need to get over is this odd sort of thinking: Terrorism = 9/11
I think the reaction from Dale shows exactly what is wrong with so much of the discussion of terrorism. “Those evil terrorists” are not some strange freaks of nature. I will say it again right now. Those people who have a passionate belief and are willing to kill and die for the change they believe in are often called terrorists. Our founding fathers were passionate, they were willing to kill, they were willing to be killed, and they used a great number of very violent and underhanded military tactics to beat a numerically superior force. What the hell do we think the British called them? “Those misguided chaps” or “Misguided lads”?
I never really at all thought about it that way. But since we were based on terrorism, and since we did form the minute men AKA the militia to protect us from our own government, what gives FEMA the right to swoop in and say ANY of this?
Maybe they are the terrorists in our nation. I believe this Federal Government is something like a foreign government to this country (not literally, but metaphorically). They do not respect state laws or really anything all that is American.
And actually, what’s creepy about this, what I didn’t really notice when I was writing this entry or the other times I saw this video is that if you look at the time stamp it’s BEFORE 9/11. Only a couple of months before it too. Isn’t it like they were amping police up?
In Oklahoma, too. Talking about Christians as terrorists. The irony of THAT is astounding.
Also what the Founding Fathers were fighting for — did it have anything to do with their religions convictions or was it because of their strong need for freedom and their own nation?
I’ll start from your last point and go up. Our founding fathers were all about freedom and had very little to do with religion. In that way they would, in a very loose way, be similar to the Tamil Tigers.
The only way I can explain the fact that they are amping cops up in Oklahoma around that time would be if it were an ongoing program set up after the Oklahoma City Bombing. I would also tend to say it was just coincidence… But you are right, it is sort of creepy.
I do agree that our Federal government has become very foreign to us recently. The tactics being developed both here and in the UK are very disturbing.
As far as FEMA having the right to put things this way… This gets a bit complicated. I want to defend the course, mostly because I took a course with (what seems to have been) similar content. When you put it in the larger context of a true terrorism course, this realization that the founders of many modern nations would have been considered terrorists by someone is very important. Mostly because they people committing these acts do not have the same viewpoint.
From that perspective I believe it is very valuable education for our government agencies. If done right it should give them context to the fact that in many cases the person we call a terrorist sees what they do as a desperate struggle for freedom. And in, thus, very noble rather than evil.
However, I am interpreting this little chunk of course through my experience of several college history courses that covered similar issues and a seminar directly covering terrorism studies.
That was my point, about the Founding Fathers fight for freedom having very little to do with religion. They did want freedom of religion, but because that’s a personal right and a personal freedom. But that was just a piece of the puzzle of what they were fighting for.
It just so happens though that most of the people that know about the government today, what is happening or what is going to happen are mixing religion into it. Making them sound nuts. I absolutely abhor that.
About people seeing the founding fathers of many nations as terrorists, I agree with what you say. But it’s that word “terrorist” that perhaps needs to go. It has such a negative connotation and it really isn’t at all fair to the people on the side of the “terrorists.” I always give this scenario to people: If we were invaded by another country who took down our government and wanted to take us over and we fought back, trying to gain control of our own country and fight against this other country’s tyrany, we’d be terrorists in their media and to their people too. And that really, really isn’t fair.
The same could be said perhaps if it was our own government doing these things, and the common folk fighting back. We actually see things like that all the time in other countries.
I agree with a lot of your points, and I see everything you’re saying. You make a lot of sense.
Thank you
You have also brought up a lot of good points. And a number of points I want to examine further. I may be writing up a post that specifically looks at them rather than writing another 3 page comment.
It’s awesome to have found someone who I can debate points with and go deep into the fine points of arguments, even where we agree!
I think you making a post about this topic is an excellent idea. Bring new ideas to the table and the blogging world! I’ll be right there with comments on your post too.