Ritualistic

You mentioned ‘free energy’ in your lengthy article here. You should know something. Oil is a finite resource, energy is a relatively infinite one. Secondly, those who profit from oil now, notice that they’re simply doing a redistribution of where their money is being placed. You may look to some of these people and go ‘oh, they’re innovating and getting on the alternative energy bandwagon’, wrong. They’re establishing another 200 or more years worth of market dominion and being able to influence politics and gouge economies at will.

The oil barons of today won’t easily let go of the energy markets they control.

It seems nothing is ever free these days, even the things that should be.

Hell, let’s face it, people have made businesses out of some of the most awful things you can imagine; life insurance for example, lol, when you really think about it, it’s profit from human death.

I watched the first Zeitgeist movie, and, I’ll watch this next one relatively soon.

I haven’t totally finished the video… But the Venus Project people are a bit crazy. I recommend immediately reading the Unabomber Manifesto (it is actually a good piece of writing despite the source). Radical advancement in technology does not replace the need for repetitive jobs, it replaces the need for people.

I plan on writing something long… so I won’t go on too much here. But the first 1/3 on the money system was quite interesting.

The people from that project have the right idea, but it isn’t entirely thought out; regardless, you still need law and reasons for education and things like that. Although, the one thing they’re very right about is the idea of a resource based economy. Yes, the idea sounds ‘crazy’ at first. Since the time we’re born, we learn all about money and the effect of it, so it’s very difficult to get rid of the idea that without money, there’s no system to keep people in place, and nobody would do anything…

There are still sensible ways to do it without allowing the sickening greed and corruption of today.

As opposed to what, the differences, greed, and corruption of today that means about half the world lives in poverty, people’s countries are invaded for expansionist empires under the veil of democracy, and perpetual conflict and distrust among people?

In the past, religion has been used to great extent to wage war; even today it’s still used in some countries for hostile purposes.

Greed? I don’t even need to address that one.

Differences? Diversity is grand, but people capitalize on differences and use it as justification for hate, crimes, and war.

I’m not saying the Venus Project is entirely the right way to go, they have it wrong too — a society with “no laws”? What then, would make anyone want to go to school to learn, or to do anything in particular? Technology is at the point where it can do a great many things for us, especially if we as people (or more specifically, those who make and program these robots) would halt the money-engine (far fetched, I know.)

You still need law, you still need reasons to maintain order, and above all else, if technology is going to do all the work for humanity (or the vast majority of it), it will somehow have to be maintained. That means, people still need to be trained to update it, program it, repair it, and salvage it.

Regardless though, a resource-based economy, if well thought out, would benefit a much greater spread of the people. The one we have now, as the video so eloquently puts it, only truly benefits those at the top of the pyramid. Last time I checked, I didn’t have millions of dollars to throw around wastelessly at my whims, neither do you, and neither does just about anyone else we know; oh, except for nazi john, who of course, has yet to show us his suitcases full of 100 dollar bills. I wonder why we’ve not seen that one, eh? Time to go save the coral reef.

I have seen both Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist Addendum a few times each. I have used those movies as starting points to embark in more in-depth research. I have been studying a lot of the topics that the movies touch on continuously for about 2 years now.

As I see it, the Venus Project and the people associated with it are simply pioneers in thinking. They don’t have all of the answers and they don’t even know all of the details involved to get from a “monetary based society” to a “resource based society”. No pioneer ever does know all of the answers… most don’t even know all of the questions…

However, I have a VERY philosophical take on the ideas that they are presenting in Zeitgeist Addendum.

I will start off with a couple of examples. The oriental concept of Tao teaches duality. For instance, the concept of “hot” automatically requires an opposing concept of “cold”. Without the concept of “cold” there can be no concept of “hot”. We can follow this example using any number of examples, long-short, young-old, birth-death, beginning-ending, marriage-divorce, etc.

Following these lines, and giving some time to contemplate this, it seems reasonable that a society based on transactions, money, ownership, laws to protect ownership, engineered scarcity, etc. must automatically have an opposing concept of a society with no transactions, no money, no ownership, no laws to protect ownership, non-engineered abundance, etc.

The evidence out there highly suggests that we are living in the age of Pisces which is a Water sign and money, maritime law, commerce, and water are all very closely related (study stuff from Maxwell Jordan to learn more about this). Note that water is physically easy to block, guide, control, distribute and regulate as is a “monetary based society”.

Even a brief study of Aquarius will reveal that it represents a concept of “coming before it’s time”, freedom of body and mind, openness and acceptance to most anything, a propensity toward all things electronic, communication, a desire for knowledge, and an affinity for technology. It’s also important to note that Aquarius is an Air sign. Air is physically unpredictable in nature, very abundant, and often difficult to control (and perhaps even unnecessary to control) as is a “resource based economy”.

We know from Zeitgeist, and obvious other sources, that the “changing of the guard” so to speak is coming near or around 2150. The Mayans said 2012. And various other folks have talked about a big change in or around this time that we live in today. In very basic terminology, the big rocks (planets and stuff) with all of their magnetic energies are constantly moving around in space and soon their magnetism is going to align itself in a different way. It doesn’t matter if a person “believes in” astrology or not. The physical movement of the planets and our solar system is happening. People clinging to a “monetary based society” and people who think that astrology is for “crackpots” will have exactly zero effect on this realignment.

However, with a change that is this big, clearly, folks aren’t going to just suddenly switch over to the new era instantly. Many people will cling to the old belief system for as long as they can even when many others around them see it as pointless and perhaps even “foolish” to do so. For example, there was certainly one company years ago that had perfected the horse-drawn carriage buggy whip. Some people were out there buying it thinking that it was the best thing ever. Meanwhile, their neighbors had long thrown their buggy whips in the garbage and were out driving around in their new cars… As time went on, fewer and fewer folks bought buggy whips (even if they were the best!) and more and more people could be found driving around in cars. In another example, folks were still out marching around professing to know that the world was flat long after others knew for a fact that it was round.

So it will be with the change from the “monetary based system” to the “resource based system”. Some folks are going to hold onto their gold and silver and cash and diamonds and stocks and bonds and laws and religions and world empires until the very end. And one day someone will walk up to them and ask, “Why do you cling to gold so tightly when all of the necessities of life can be had for free?”

This scenario is not some science fiction idea or mythological concept. It’s simply a fact of universal order.

The oil companies cling to scarcity and VERY dated technology in an attempt to hold onto the old age of Pisces. I mean REALLY, can new cars today still only get 35 miles to the gallon?? Governments attempt to prosecute people for collecting rainwater in an attempt to control everything like they have done for the last 2000 years. Religious organizations around the world are all in a scramble to get more believers in the interest of “self preservation”. I especially liked the bumper sticker that the mormon church put out a few years ago that read, “Everybody look busy, Jesus is coming.”

So, anyway, you made the point that people have “the right” to believe in their religions if they want to. People have “the right” to keep their tradition and heritage if they want to. Sure. In a “resource based society” people will still indeed have “the right” to those things. People today still have “the right” to believe that the earth is flat. However, no one believes that because it would seem silly to. And, 300 years from now, exercising “the right” to believe in a religion from yester-year (today) will also seem silly. And I believe that this is what the Venus Project folks are trying to say. No one is going to go around taking the money from Microsoft or Exxon-Mobil. It won’t be necessary.

Think about it. REALLY think about it. Every single day another person becomes homeless/jobless, as REQUIRED by the “monetary based society”. So, this pool of potential labor is constantly getting bigger and bigger. It’s important to note that this pool of potential labor is growing at an exponential rate! In effect, these people are “out of the system”. Anyone that is out of the system who works, is automatically working against the “monetary based society”.

For example, if I go out today and work for 12 hours for free, none of that labor can be taxed by the government. None of that labor can be accounted for by the government. None of that labor can be regulated or controlled by the government (in theory). There is no boss and no time clock. None of that labor had anything to do with the monetary system. I did not save money from that labor and then deposit some of it into a bank. Since nothing from my efforts exists in the bank, the bank cannot use its fractional reserve system to make more money (in loans) from my money. So, after getting a strong understanding of Modern Money Mechanics, my efforts will not allow the bank to make money from my money, nor money from their money, nor money from that money, etc. Since I have not added anything to the bank, I have hurt their system by a factor of 9! AND, I have just put in 12 hours of free labor which contributes to an abundance of labor, which in turn, makes labor worth less, which leads to lower wages, which leads to more layoffs, which leads to more potential free labor.

So, in theory, if every single unemployed person in the world today, got up and worked for free, the market would be so flooded with free labor that all of the paid workers would be laid off. No one would have anything to put into the banks, thus hurting the banks 9 fold. There would be a huge abundance of goods and services, thus putting business out of business overnight. And, since the people are about 6,000,000,000 strong and the corporations and the businesses of the world are only a couple of 1,000 strong at most, how in the hell do you think the businesses, the true leaders of the current worldwide “monetary based society” are going to demand that all of the people stop working for free??

Now some folks out there are going to complain and say, “Who is going to start working on something for free?” To this I would tell them to look no further then Linux. Today, you can go to (http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download) and download a free computer operating system. Burn yourself a CD, place the CD in your CD drive, reboot, and start up your computer in Linux with no obligation to do anything. Give yourself 5 hours of study time and hands on time with Linux and I can almost guarantee that you will never want to use Microsoft products again. And the entire Linux project was all created at the hands of free labor. Tired of viruses? Use Linux. Tired of spyware? Use Linux. Tired of paying for software? Use Linux. Tired of your computer crashing? Use Linux. Tired of being constantly threatened with lawsuits for improper distribution and use? Use Linux.

You see, this conceptual shift in the concept of labor is the key to the entire future that the Venus Project is proposing. We the people have all of the power in the world. We just don’t know it yet. We still believe that we must cling to the old. We must go to work and save money. We must find a religion that works. We must never “lose our pride” and work for free. We must streamline the companies and always partake in commerce no matter what. We must stop the financial crisis. We must elect a “good” president. We must continue to teach our children to sign marriage contracts. We must continue to teach our children that drinking cow’s milk is good for them.

People are not cows. Cows do not drink horse’s milk. Goats do not drink rat’s milk. Cows don’t even drink cow’s milk once they are no longer babies. Why do people go around drinking cow’s milk their entire lives? The facts are out there. People in the U.S. are the biggest consumers of cow’s milk and osteoporosis is also the highest in the U.S. It’s simply because when cow’s milk is drunk by humans, the human body has to leach calcium from its own bones to process the cow’s milk (a poison) and remove it from the body. So, the fact is, when a person drinks milk, they are actually losing calcium by doing so. Even though this has been proven over and over, folks out their today still cling to their old beliefs. They still believe “Milk does a body good” and away they go down to the grocery store… And, of course, they still have “the right” to do so…

It’s sort of like the message in the book, “The Secret of Letting Go” by Guy Finley. People cling to these monetary concepts so tightly. They can’t even imagine what would happen if they were to just let go of them, much less do the opposite and try to rid them from their lives…

Humans are like that. We often tend to ignore and reject the things which we need the most.

Colon cancer is one of the biggest health problems of our time. Yet how many people in the world today have ever taken a one liter enema even once in their lives? Folks would rather walk around with 60 pounds of rotting junk in their intestines, get colon cancer, have the doctor cut their colon off, and walk around wearing a diaper for the rest of their lives than take time out from their evening TV program and go wash themselves out… And, of course, they have “the right” to live that way.

Also, consider this key point: a monetary based society can only continue to exist as long as companies can continue to grow. A company is either growing or dying. There is nothing in between. How many companies today can say that they are truly growing??… China, the final frontier…

In conclusion, I believe that the Venus Project is on to something. They have made a great start. First comes knowledge; then comes action. Beginnings always start as just a tiny seed somewhere. An oak tree begins as an acorn. A child begins with an egg, or a sperm, or maybe just a thought of having a child, or maybe with the maturity of the potential mother, or… This movement for change has already started. People are talking. Movies are being made. More and more people are homeless/jobless. Corporations are getting bigger and more savage. The wealth gap is getting larger and larger. Governments are getting more and more ruthless. People are getting more and more educated about what is actually going on. The ball is already rolling. And it will continue to roll. It’s a truth of nature. The seed has been planted and it is growing quickly! Aquarius always comes ahead of it’s time!

The future is coming. Some folks will fear and resist it with all their might. Others might contemplate it cautiously. While a few will embrace it whole-heartedly. The true pioneers are always the ones who seem like lunatics. The really radical pioneers are persecuted and killed off. They are seen as the real loony ones in their own lifetimes. Later, history recalls them as the truly enlightened ones. We all face a very real choice today. Where do you stand in your beliefs? Will you help progress the movement? Will you cling to the old even if it’s not healthy or necessary? Everything changes. It always has. It always will. This time is no different.

Good luck to all of you on your personal journeys. I know I plan to do everything I can to embrace the new world that awaits us all.

Jonn

I loved the first Zeitgeist. WATCHING THIS NOW!

Did any of yall see the illuminati symbolism in Zeitgeist Mem. There was a scene where you had the (diamonds are forever hand figure with the sun in the middle. This was towards the end and supposedly it represents a pyramid with the all seeing eye. Also, the project was called Project Venus….venus-lucifer. any suggestions???

“Our avocation is to achieve a social system which operates without money or politics, while allowing superstition to work itself out as education flourishes. It isn’t the right of any person to tell another what to believe, for no human has a full understanding of anything. However, if we pay attention to the natural processes of life, we then see how we can align with nature and thus our path becomes more clear.” Source: thezeitgeistmovement.com

So, the idea of the Venus Project isn’t to “remove” religion by saying “YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO BELIEVE THAT! etc” … but just that is has no place in the running of society. It has to be a personal thing.

The people talking about the Illuminati symbolism are just seeing things that aren’t there. A movie about ending superstition doesn’t intentionally include that sort of symbolism. You have to interpret what you see according to the message.

You’re right, Zeitgeist and Venus Project do promote New Ageism. And, New Ageism = New World Order. So Zeitgeist is NWO propaganda in my book.