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		<title>By: Cetta</title>
		<link>http://ritualistic.org/2008/10/09/zeitgeist-addendum/#comment-1982</link>
		<dc:creator>Cetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad someone agrees. :) You'd probably like the &lt;a href="http://ritualistic.org/2008/10/16/alex-jones-heated-interview-with-peter-joseph-of-zeitgeist-and-zeitgeist-addendum/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Peter Joseph and Alex Jones&lt;/a&gt; interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad someone agrees. <img src='http://ritualistic.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> You&#8217;d probably like the <a href="http://ritualistic.org/2008/10/16/alex-jones-heated-interview-with-peter-joseph-of-zeitgeist-and-zeitgeist-addendum/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Peter Joseph and Alex Jones</a> interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://ritualistic.org/2008/10/09/zeitgeist-addendum/#comment-1979</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right, Zeitgeist and Venus Project do promote New Ageism.  And, New Ageism = New World Order.  So Zeitgeist is NWO propaganda in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Zeitgeist and Venus Project do promote New Ageism.  And, New Ageism = New World Order.  So Zeitgeist is NWO propaganda in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenton Eccles</title>
		<link>http://ritualistic.org/2008/10/09/zeitgeist-addendum/#comment-1920</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenton Eccles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"To be a true Christian you’d have to deny many aspects of science? Like what?"
Cosomology, Evolution for example.

People have a RIGHT to believe what they want. But, it has no place in society. Faith is an enemy, because you have to "take" something without evidence. Faith -has- to be blind, or else it is not faith.

I found your blog through a google blog search.

"From the Muslims to the Indians — they have a right to practice these superstitions and traditions. And if according to their religion, their superstitions, their traditions, it says thinking a certain behavior is wrong, thus furthering a divide for unity, then that’s their right to feel or think that way and in my opinion they’d be FOOLS not to follow their own beliefs."
I disagree strongly. They'd be fools not to be critical of their own beliefs. Belief has nothing to do with anything truly ... truthful. You either KNOW something through evidence, or you don't know it because of lack of evidence. Belief sometimes appears to be a gray area, but it's really accepting something for minnimal reason (According to our understandings today).

"Religion and faith and traditions aren’t the enemy."
They are an enemy to unity, not if they exist, but if they insist on affecting society.
So, for example, one country having Christmas as an official holiday when there are Muslims, Jews, and many others living there.
True unity is recognising that these things really are barriers to unity.

Your opinion is your right. And I agree that it's not the religion that is the "enemy" (to some extent) it's the establishment and the people within it.

But honestly, I don't know anyone who has critically analysed their "faith" and come out still holding onto it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To be a true Christian you’d have to deny many aspects of science? Like what?&#8221;<br />
Cosomology, Evolution for example.</p>
<p>People have a RIGHT to believe what they want. But, it has no place in society. Faith is an enemy, because you have to &#8220;take&#8221; something without evidence. Faith -has- to be blind, or else it is not faith.</p>
<p>I found your blog through a google blog search.</p>
<p>&#8220;From the Muslims to the Indians — they have a right to practice these superstitions and traditions. And if according to their religion, their superstitions, their traditions, it says thinking a certain behavior is wrong, thus furthering a divide for unity, then that’s their right to feel or think that way and in my opinion they’d be FOOLS not to follow their own beliefs.&#8221;<br />
I disagree strongly. They&#8217;d be fools not to be critical of their own beliefs. Belief has nothing to do with anything truly &#8230; truthful. You either KNOW something through evidence, or you don&#8217;t know it because of lack of evidence. Belief sometimes appears to be a gray area, but it&#8217;s really accepting something for minnimal reason (According to our understandings today).</p>
<p>&#8220;Religion and faith and traditions aren’t the enemy.&#8221;<br />
They are an enemy to unity, not if they exist, but if they insist on affecting society.<br />
So, for example, one country having Christmas as an official holiday when there are Muslims, Jews, and many others living there.<br />
True unity is recognising that these things really are barriers to unity.</p>
<p>Your opinion is your right. And I agree that it&#8217;s not the religion that is the &#8220;enemy&#8221; (to some extent) it&#8217;s the establishment and the people within it.</p>
<p>But honestly, I don&#8217;t know anyone who has critically analysed their &#8220;faith&#8221; and come out still holding onto it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cetta</title>
		<link>http://ritualistic.org/2008/10/09/zeitgeist-addendum/#comment-1918</link>
		<dc:creator>Cetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be a true Christian you'd have to deny many aspects of science? Like what?

Also, I'm not "hurt" -- I'm not a Christian or even have a faith myself. I just believe that people have the right to worship what they want. From the Muslims to the Indians -- they have a right to practice these superstitions and traditions. And if according to their religion, their superstitions, their traditions, it says thinking a certain behavior is wrong, thus furthering a divide for unity, then that's their &lt;strong&gt;right&lt;/strong&gt; to feel or think that way and in my opinion they'd be FOOLS not to follow their own beliefs.

And let's not forget it's their RIGHT to believe and feel however they want.

I don't know how you found this blog, but if it was through a topic board at ATS &lt;strong&gt;(&lt;/strong&gt;Above Top Secret&lt;strong&gt;)&lt;/strong&gt;, then you'd know a good point I made for leaving people alone with their own traditions&lt;strong&gt;:&lt;/strong&gt;

The Lakota Indians... And I quote&lt;strong&gt;:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;"&lt;/strong&gt;You know, I read something earlier about how there is an epidemic in suicides in Native American children -- one of the reasons the article gave? Lack of their faith.&lt;strong&gt;''&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;a href="http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS/809210301/1001" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Why are young Lakota killing themselves? - South Dakota reservation's suicide rate said to be among highest in world&lt;/a&gt;

Religion and faith and traditions aren't the enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be a true Christian you&#8217;d have to deny many aspects of science? Like what?</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not &#8220;hurt&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;m not a Christian or even have a faith myself. I just believe that people have the right to worship what they want. From the Muslims to the Indians &#8212; they have a right to practice these superstitions and traditions. And if according to their religion, their superstitions, their traditions, it says thinking a certain behavior is wrong, thus furthering a divide for unity, then that&#8217;s their <strong>right</strong> to feel or think that way and in my opinion they&#8217;d be FOOLS not to follow their own beliefs.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget it&#8217;s their RIGHT to believe and feel however they want.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how you found this blog, but if it was through a topic board at ATS <strong>(</strong>Above Top Secret<strong>)</strong>, then you&#8217;d know a good point I made for leaving people alone with their own traditions<strong>:</strong></p>
<p>The Lakota Indians&#8230; And I quote<strong>:</strong> <strong>&#8220;</strong>You know, I read something earlier about how there is an epidemic in suicides in Native American children &#8212; one of the reasons the article gave? Lack of their faith.<strong>&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS/809210301/1001" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Why are young Lakota killing themselves? - South Dakota reservation&#8217;s suicide rate said to be among highest in world</a></p>
<p>Religion and faith and traditions aren&#8217;t the enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenton Eccles</title>
		<link>http://ritualistic.org/2008/10/09/zeitgeist-addendum/#comment-1916</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenton Eccles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply, people are indoctrinated to a religious faith. You aren't born with a religion.

They're simply out-dated traditions now. People have the right to believe them if they want to, but they serve no value in reality, or society.

They're just traditions...superstitions.

The image you're reffering to ... assumedly the bit before the Bill Hicks skit?
If you really listen, the person speaking when that image is up (forget his name) is talking about the universe as a singular community. The world as one organism of plants, animals, elements, humans etc.

The image is merely a way of symolising human connection.

I get the feeling you're hurt by an "insult" to religious faith? But in reality, religion is superstition. Parents DO indoctrinate their children, its an outdated way of living.

For example, to be a true christian, youd have to be honest and deny many aspects of science, genetic understand, among other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply, people are indoctrinated to a religious faith. You aren&#8217;t born with a religion.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re simply out-dated traditions now. People have the right to believe them if they want to, but they serve no value in reality, or society.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re just traditions&#8230;superstitions.</p>
<p>The image you&#8217;re reffering to &#8230; assumedly the bit before the Bill Hicks skit?<br />
If you really listen, the person speaking when that image is up (forget his name) is talking about the universe as a singular community. The world as one organism of plants, animals, elements, humans etc.</p>
<p>The image is merely a way of symolising human connection.</p>
<p>I get the feeling you&#8217;re hurt by an &#8220;insult&#8221; to religious faith? But in reality, religion is superstition. Parents DO indoctrinate their children, its an outdated way of living.</p>
<p>For example, to be a true christian, youd have to be honest and deny many aspects of science, genetic understand, among other things.</p>
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		<title>By: Cetta</title>
		<link>http://ritualistic.org/2008/10/09/zeitgeist-addendum/#comment-1911</link>
		<dc:creator>Cetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Jonn thank you for this concise, well thought out comment towards me. I appreciate the fact that you left me such a long message, and that you shared these thoughts with me. Thank you. Surprisingly, I agreed with a lot of what you said. ESPECIALLY the things you said about milk, and health. There is a LOT of ignorance in this world. However when you talk about people having the RIGHT -- why do you quote it, by the way? -- to believe in religions that they want to believe in, you talk about how 300 years from now these religions would be religions of "yester-year." Some of these religions were around for THOUSANDS of years. Wouldn't it have faded out all ready like many religions have that were around for a lesser time than Christianity or Judaism &lt;strong&gt;(&lt;/strong&gt;even though I do not believe the Jews of today were the Jews from the Bible&lt;strong&gt;)&lt;/strong&gt;??

As for a monetary based system -- &lt;strong&gt;or doing away with one&lt;/strong&gt; -- I think that if we could consciously reach that level of giving, and kindness, and humanity, and oneness all at the same time or around the same time it would be a beautiful thing. The fact is we can't. And the fact is.. as long as there is a limited supply of things in the world, there will be a price on these things. We need an overhaul of the monetary based system to make it more fair, to make it more for the people, instead of the central banks.

The problem is, my friend, you and I are too idealistic. In different ways of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Jonn thank you for this concise, well thought out comment towards me. I appreciate the fact that you left me such a long message, and that you shared these thoughts with me. Thank you. Surprisingly, I agreed with a lot of what you said. ESPECIALLY the things you said about milk, and health. There is a LOT of ignorance in this world. However when you talk about people having the RIGHT &#8212; why do you quote it, by the way? &#8212; to believe in religions that they want to believe in, you talk about how 300 years from now these religions would be religions of &#8220;yester-year.&#8221; Some of these religions were around for THOUSANDS of years. Wouldn&#8217;t it have faded out all ready like many religions have that were around for a lesser time than Christianity or Judaism <strong>(</strong>even though I do not believe the Jews of today were the Jews from the Bible<strong>)</strong>??</p>
<p>As for a monetary based system &#8212; <strong>or doing away with one</strong> &#8212; I think that if we could consciously reach that level of giving, and kindness, and humanity, and oneness all at the same time or around the same time it would be a beautiful thing. The fact is we can&#8217;t. And the fact is.. as long as there is a limited supply of things in the world, there will be a price on these things. We need an overhaul of the monetary based system to make it more fair, to make it more for the people, instead of the central banks.</p>
<p>The problem is, my friend, you and I are too idealistic. In different ways of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Cetta</title>
		<link>http://ritualistic.org/2008/10/09/zeitgeist-addendum/#comment-1910</link>
		<dc:creator>Cetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm one of those people that see the Illuminati symbolism in the movie. Explain to me WHY there was that hand symbol in there that is the same symbol Freemasons use?

I dislike that they talk about superstitions as negative in the movie -- and I dislike how they talk about teaching your children your religion "indoctrination", in the negative sense that they did.

I should re-watch this movie though, but it seemed like they WERE pushing their own religious agenda onto us near the end of the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those people that see the Illuminati symbolism in the movie. Explain to me WHY there was that hand symbol in there that is the same symbol Freemasons use?</p>
<p>I dislike that they talk about superstitions as negative in the movie &#8212; and I dislike how they talk about teaching your children your religion &#8220;indoctrination&#8221;, in the negative sense that they did.</p>
<p>I should re-watch this movie though, but it seemed like they WERE pushing their own religious agenda onto us near the end of the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenton Eccles</title>
		<link>http://ritualistic.org/2008/10/09/zeitgeist-addendum/#comment-1901</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenton Eccles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Our avocation is to achieve a social system which operates without money or politics, &lt;b&gt;while allowing superstition to work itself out as education flourishes.&lt;/b&gt; It isn't the right of any person to tell another what to believe, for no human has a full understanding of anything. However, if we pay attention to the natural processes of life, we then see how we can align with nature and thus our path becomes more clear." Source: thezeitgeistmovement.com

So, the idea of the Venus Project isn't to "remove" religion by saying "YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO BELIEVE THAT! etc" ... but just that is has no place in the running of society. It has to be a personal thing.

The people talking about the Illuminati symbolism are just seeing things that aren't there. A movie about ending superstition doesn't intentionally include that sort of symbolism. You have to interpret what you see according to the message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our avocation is to achieve a social system which operates without money or politics, <b>while allowing superstition to work itself out as education flourishes.</b> It isn&#8217;t the right of any person to tell another what to believe, for no human has a full understanding of anything. However, if we pay attention to the natural processes of life, we then see how we can align with nature and thus our path becomes more clear.&#8221; Source: thezeitgeistmovement.com</p>
<p>So, the idea of the Venus Project isn&#8217;t to &#8220;remove&#8221; religion by saying &#8220;YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO BELIEVE THAT! etc&#8221; &#8230; but just that is has no place in the running of society. It has to be a personal thing.</p>
<p>The people talking about the Illuminati symbolism are just seeing things that aren&#8217;t there. A movie about ending superstition doesn&#8217;t intentionally include that sort of symbolism. You have to interpret what you see according to the message.</p>
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		<title>By: Cetta</title>
		<link>http://ritualistic.org/2008/10/09/zeitgeist-addendum/#comment-1879</link>
		<dc:creator>Cetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I did not even realize the Lucifer/Venus connection. Good job Kevin! Any other thoughts you have? Please share!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I did not even realize the Lucifer/Venus connection. Good job Kevin! Any other thoughts you have? Please share!</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did any of yall see the illuminati symbolism in Zeitgeist Mem. There was a scene where you had the (diamonds are forever hand figure with the sun in the middle. This was towards the end and supposedly it represents a pyramid with the all seeing eye. Also, the project was called Project Venus....venus-lucifer.   any suggestions???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did any of yall see the illuminati symbolism in Zeitgeist Mem. There was a scene where you had the (diamonds are forever hand figure with the sun in the middle. This was towards the end and supposedly it represents a pyramid with the all seeing eye. Also, the project was called Project Venus&#8230;.venus-lucifer.   any suggestions???</p>
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