Christians and Halloween.
November 2nd, 2008 | 1,853 wordcount, 1 imageDisclaimer: I am not Christian or religious at all. Officially I have no faith whatsoever. However, there was a time when I did, and a time where I studied the Bible to some extent, so this is why I feel confident making a post like this.
ALSO THERE ARE A TON OF TYPOS AND GRAMMAR ERRORS IN THIS POST — DEAL WITH THEM! Thank you.
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I know there are a lot of Christians that have no problem with Halloween (I know because I was one of them), but for those amount of Christians that don’t mind Halloween, there are just as many Christians that have a problem with it. They don’t allow their children to participate in dressing up and going door to door to collect candy because of Halloweens pagan origins.
Just a quick Google search on the web yielded these results (which, by the way, I am also providing some excerpts from these sites, and my response to anti-Halloween Christians will be below these links and excerpts — Also, NOTE: the dots “…” in these quoted excerpts signifies that there is more written in between each sentence and to click the link to read the rest):
Should Christians participate in Halloween? - “ … The October 31st holiday that we today know as Halloween has strong roots in paganism and is closely connected with worship of the Enemy of this world, Satan. It is a holiday that generally glorifies the dark things of this world, rather than the light of Jesus Christ, The Truth. … We have found that Halloween provides an excellent time to remind our children that, as Christians, we are different, and not of this world (Heb. 11:13-16; 1 Pet. 2:11). … ”
Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? - “ … If you allow your children to participate in Halloween (Trick or Treating, costume parties, etc.) you are allowing them to play on “the devil’s turf,” and Satan will definitely press his home court advantage … We are commanded not to become involved with the unfruitful works of darkness (Eph. 5:11). Both from my experience as a witch, and since getting saved, as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ, I have seen far too many examples of how breaking this command works out in lives. Remember, while we have God’s promise of protection for ourselves and our children, that promise may not hold if we allow our children to celebrate this dark holiday. Case after case has come to us of children in rebellion. In many of these families, the problem can be traced back to the children being exposed to Halloween at a young age. … ”
Pat Robertson: Halloween “A Mistake For Christians” - I don’t need to provide an excerpt from this page, because if you click the link and scroll down a bit you will see the video of Pat Robertson condemning Halloween on his show “The 700 Club”, and how it says over 66 percent of Christians also condemn Halloween.
I’d also like to remind you all a little something about Pat Robertson: He called for the assassination for Hugo Chávez, he supports the war in Iraq, he supports Zionism and this man-made Israel (proving he does NOT know his Bible), he has made unfulfilled prophecies and the list goes on and on. That, however, is another post for another time. We are here to focus on Halloween, and Halloween we shall focus on.
The links and excerpts I provided you are just some of the arguments and beliefs that Christians have against Halloween.
And here is just some of MY responses and arguments back:
I am not here to dispute whether or not Halloweens origins had much to do with Satan or whether they were just the cultural beliefs at the time. That is not the point of this post. Nor am I here to dispute that there are people today who do not do gruesome, Satanic (in nature), ritualistic occult practices on October 31st. We all know that there are sick people out there, and that the world is a big place filled with different things. If someone can think it up, it most likely has already been done, and we’ve all seen and heard of bizarre things taking place on Halloween for the purposes of dark religious rites and more.
Although, it isn’t just Halloween when sick things take place. Christmas and Easter have had their pagan origins as well but are now Christian in nature, and there are people today that have no qualms in taking those two holidays, mostly associated with Christian symbolism, and twisting them into something equally as sick as they would on Halloween — or something that is completely secular with no religious or occult significance at all (or is it Christians that have taken those two holidays and twisted it to fit their own beliefs? — I am not condemning, I am just comparing and asking, and have more to say about this below). Yet Christians, even some enlightened ones knowing that these holidays started out pagan in origin, have no problem celebrating these holidays and making it into something about Christ, when it had nothing to do with Christ in the first place.
That’s absolutely fine. That actually fits their beliefs, and goes in accordance with their Bible.
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new” - 2 Corinthians 5:17, KJV.
“And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful” - Revelation 21:5, KJV.
So I ask, if Christians can take the pagan beliefs out of Christmas and Easter and rationalize it with “Christ makes all things new”, then why can’t they take the pagan beliefs out of Halloween and participate in it as a secular event? Especially when mostly everyone else, even those that are not Christian, have taken out the pagan significance in Halloween.
Yes, I know, there is the argument that “Christians are not supposed to take part in worldly things”, but what about the argument that Christians should appeal to every man?
“To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some” - 1 Corinthians 9:22, KJV.
If all men are participating in something that just about everyone deems as harmless (as in NOT evil, not a threat, not an immediate danger), wouldn’t it do more GOOD to participate in it to? This logic makes the most sense to me in terms of Christianity, because instead of those thinking Christians are shunning them, or being strange (and even cult-like and scary), they are something everyone can suddenly relate to. I am not saying for Christians to compromise their morals and take part in something that they are wholly against (because that would be against their own Bible and beliefs). What I am saying, however, that is, in the larger sense, as it’s celebrated today, Halloween is not one of those things that compromises a Christians morals if practiced in the typical way that it is done today — the way that we see most of our neighbors doing it. A way that is secular.
Another good Biblical passage to prove my point, that Halloween the way it is mostly celebrated today is no threat to Christians is:
“Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh” - Colossians 2:20-23, KJV.
In the end, Halloween doesn’t matter and should become a non issue. If Christ died on the Cross to save humanity from eternal death, according to the Christians, and break the bonds and do away with the old laws and traditions of those that were waiting for the Messiah (and this is why “Jews for Jesus” is a complete oxymoron - but that’s another post altogether), then wouldn’t he also have the power, according to the Christians, to do away with any supposed evil significance Halloween has?
Why WOULDN’T a Christian take part in Halloween if they believe that Christ did away with the strict laws of the ancient Hebrews, also making other traditions, like those of the pagans, obsolete? And if they believe that they are protected, spiritually, by his sacrifice on the Cross, then how is Halloween even a threat? (By the way, this is why, technically, according to the New Testament, Judaism is false, and we can all eat pork and don’t have to wash our hands a certain way before we eat, and a ton of other things — According to the Christians, Christ was powerful enough to do away with an entire culture and belief system, but is not powerful enough to change Halloween?).
Also, NOTE: I just want to make this a point again. There are ton of NON-Christians, that many Christians believe are heathens and are going straight to hell because of their rejection of Christ and their supposed ignorance about what is right spiritually that take part in Halloween ***WITH NO OCCULT SIGNIFICANCE ATTACHED TO IT***!!!!! (I know, because I am one of them).
If these people who do not believe or take part or ignore the evil or dark origins, but also do not believe in Jesus Christ, allow Halloween to be apart of their lives, then why can’t Christians?
I would also like to say that in this post I could have taken the low road and made the argument that those that are NOT CHRISTIAN and do not believe in Jesus Christ take part in Christmas and Easter and have taken Christ out of those two holidays (still, without attaching the paganism that was originally associated with those two holidays), but, I believe, that has nothing to do with the point.
One last quick note I’d like to add… To the second excerpt, the witch that turned into Christian minister, who claims that children are rebelling and turning away from the Christian faith, and tries to connect the dots between that and their early exposure to Halloween (you know, dressing up and going door to door asking for candy…) — How does this person explain their conversion to Christianity when apparently their first powerful exposure to anything spiritual was pagan and witchery?
Also, aren’t there many more factors and exposures out there, like parents that are ignorant to their own beliefs and don’t teach their children about them correctly that could’ve made these kids rebel from their faith?
No, of course not. It most likely was gathering candy door to door at a tender age with a group of their friends that turned them into the Godless heathens they supposedly are now.
And please note, that’s sarcasm.
Anyway, thank you all for reading and comments and debates are always appreciated!
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A very funny story.
A cabbie picks up a nun. She gets into the cab, and notices
that the VERY handsome cab driver won’t stop staring at her.
She asks him why he is staring.
He replies: “I have a question to ask you but I don’t want to offend you.”
She answers, ” My son, you cannot offend me. When you’re as old as I am and have been a nun as long as I have, you get a chance to see and hear just about everything. I’m sure that there’s nothing you could say or ask that I would find offensive.”
“Well, I’ve always had a fantasy to have a nun kiss me.”
She responds, “Well, let’s see what we can do about that:
#1, you have to be single and
#2, you must be Catholic.”
The cab driver is very excited and says, “Yes, I’m single and Catholic!”
> “OK”the nun says.
> “Pull into the next alley.”
The nun fulfills his fantasy with a kiss that would make a hooker blush.
But when they get back on the road, the cab driver starts crying.
My dear child,” said the nun, why a re you crying?”
“Forgive me but I’ve sinned. I lied and I must confess,
I’m married and I’m Jewish.”
The nun says, “That’s OK.
My name is Kevin and I’m going to a Halloween party.”
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
Big Lou C.
LOL THAT’S FUNNY
To me (as a Catholic), I don’t relate Halloween or “trick-or-treating” with Catholicism or being a Christian. I think Halloween is just a holiday where kids (and big kids like me hehe) could have some fun, dress up…and ask for free candy.
Some people just take things seriously. And some people think if we dress up…we’re not being Catholics. I just think, whatever you do…as long as you DON’T BELIEVE IT or WORSHIP it…or take seriously to the point it interferes with your religion or your faith or what you believe in, then it’s fine.
Like some people have so much attention to Santa Claus on Christmas…when it should be a different focus (the birth of Jesus Christ). It kind of, is…well, wrong because the focus is too much on Santa (I love Santa, don’t get me wrong) but the focus should be on the birthday celebrant.
They commercialize everything…well…I’m not making any sense anymore…but all I have to say is…Halloween should be a time to have fun…people who take it seriously…don’t know how to have fun.
I agree with you totally. If you don’t believe it or worship it, then what is the problem?
Also, as for Santa Claus and Christmas — I don’t think you didn’t make sense, I understood everything you meant to say.
Here in America Santa Claus dominates Christmas, but in Europe SAINT Nicholas has his own day in mid December BEFORE Christmas and isn’t the main focus for Christmas. If it was more like that in America, it wouldn’t be so bad. But they associate Christmas with Santa Claus, and if people want to believe that’s what Christmas is about, or teach their kids like that, that’s fine and their right. But it shouldn’t be that way for Christians. But like I said, if it was how it is in Europe, that’s another story altogether for Christians.
Good points all around. I’m one of those Christians that think attaching Satan’s influence to Halloween is a bunch of crap.
I don’t care what the holiday has its roots in — any demonic meaning has been beaten out of it over the years. It remains a great holiday in which kids put on costumes and go door-to-door asking for candy. Good clean fun and I’m all for it.
I am more than a bit dismayed that some Christians have taken it upon themselves to essentially ruin a good time for everyone for no good reason. Such strict, legalistic behavior does nothing to help the image of Christians everywhere.
I hope you had an enjoyable Halloween. I know my kids, my wife and I had a wonderful time.
And the kids wound up with an absolute ton of candy. Not a thing wrong with that!
These Christians remind me of the Puritans in Colonial America, where they didn’t allow themselves to even socialize in groups with each other outside of Church and accused people of witchcraft if they had cats and a usable garden.
I agree with it being good clean fun, and should just be left alone like that. Anything can be made clean and wholesome if you make it like that (or if you are Christian and believe that Christ can make it like that). I mean, like I posted, some people do sick things on Halloween — but some people do sick things every DAY. Maybe life is evil because of the sickos all around us? I mean, give me a break.
And I did have a good Halloween! I took my mothers husbands brothers kids Trick or Treating with people we know from around the neighborhood and family of friends (like I do every year), and it was a lot of fun! I’m glad you had fun as well.
So I totally read your blog but I don’t really have much to comment on it. Halloween is just a fun holiday, and to disallow your kids to rot their teeth on mass amounts of candy is no fun. =(
Aside from that, I have a video for you. Not sure if you have already watched it or not.
It’s a like 5 hour video thing from a guy named Dr. Deagle speaking at a conference. It’s very intriguing…
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2221852945040630461
Watch <3 It’ll take a lot of your time hahah
Thank you for reading. I appreciate your comments and totally agree with you. It’s just about fun, nothing else.
…And FIVE HOURS?!?!?! This is gonna take me some time to watch. I most likely won’t do it in one sitting LOL.
Hahahah, yea. A lot of it you probably already know, but a lot you might not. It’s definitely interesting, even if you don’t believe everything he says. I’m honestly scared to believe everything he says, it’s a very frightening scenario. (Avian Bird Flu pandemic being caused by NWO, being chipped during that process etc)
Oh and totally, I am only halfway through the first one before I went to bed last night. Now I gotta go & vote, and I don’t even have time to watch it tonight. Work - Gym - Get home and go to sleep because I gotta get up @ 5am and go out and promote No on 8 on Election Day.
Oh, yeah, I know ALL about that Avian Bird Flu thing… And how the vaccinations for that and other things are purposely tainted… That subject goes on and on. It’s so scary sometimes that I just ignore it and don’t read or watch about it. One night though, I’ll be brave enough to get around to this — And then have nightmares LOL. But there is a TON of sites about that avian flu stuff and other things and vaccinations being tainted with AIDS and things like that…
When I find them again (I used to have them, but can probably find them all again with ease), I will link you.
I’d also like to say that I’m not so sure Avian Flu is a threat though, and I believe that a lot of those sites I read these things on should be taken with a grain of salt. Avian Flu has been around for a long time now (a few years at LEAST), and I haven’t heard of TOO major an outbreak - at least in the United States. And the way it effects people … It MAY be actually very hard to catch. Mostly farmers and people who work around those types of birds. But that isn’t to say that there isn’t a danger to watch out for with the NWO, diseases and vaccinations. Or that Avian Flu is out of the woods yet in terms of being a threat to us or being connected to the NWO — it just seems SOMEWHAT unlikely.
Remember, when reading and hearing about these things, there’s a lot of people who are jumpy and edgy and ready to jump to conclusions — With good reason, of course. I am not condemning. I am one of those people SOMETIMES. We all have to be suspicious and we all have to be on our guards.
But remember to just keep that in mind when being involved in this sort of research.
Certainly, I sometimes worry if I’m too paranoid, ya know?
But then I hear about them dumping flouride in our water supply, making flu vaccines with Mercury in them mandatory, etc…
Dr. Deagle says that they developed the avian flu virus (and HIV) which I’m not so sure about.
If they DID develop HIV, well.. I won’t say what I want to do but let’s just leave at the fact that I am HIV+ (got it from some 20 year old kid that lied to me -_-.)
I honestly feel like sometimes I’m TOO paranoid about this stuff, but at the end of the day, you can never be too safe. And I’d rather be prepared to something and it not happening, than to have it blow it up in my face.
I definitely scrutinize every bit of information that comes before me, and I don’t believe everything that is said. I mean, Dr Deagle said we’d have an outbreak of Avian Flu in 2007 or 2008. And it hasn’t happened yet. It’s a chance combination of viruses, and if we’re lucky it’ll never happen. Unfortunately, the probability that it will exceeds the probability that it WON’T.
What we should be concerned about is what they’re doing to break down our immune systems and make us more susceptable to getting sick (pesticides that are used, fluoride, etc.)
I can’t afford to get sick. I might not get better. =(
Fluoride will do more than just make you sick and rot your brain, it was also used in concentration camps to make the prisoners docile. And as you said, they put it in our water in great supply. Really, does the dots need to be connected here?
As for the HIV virus being developed.. I’ve heard a LOT of things about that through out MANY many years. But now I am hesitant to talk much about it with you, considering you have the virus.. I am so sorry. Would it bother you if I showed you some things on it that may or may not be true that I’ve read and seen over the years if I can find them again? (Or just make an entire post on it)
Also, you must remember when doing this research that a lot of disinformation is put out there on purpose to make people look wrong. Like this Avian Flu scare.. If nothing happens with Avian Flu now, everyone who was shouting off the roof tops about it will look wrong, and therefore what else can’t we believe about what they’re saying? It only takes one legitimate looking claim to start the echo chamber rolling (and I am also a party to this, sadly), and bring down thoughts that people should REALLY be worried about when certain things are proven wrong (on purpose).
In a debate with someone, I was asked if something I said was one of my conspiracy theories, and another person told me, in a legitimate debate, that “I look at conspiracy websites”, implying that this is why whatever I was saying at the time wasn’t good or factual or correct or even a legitimate concern, worry or opinion. I was never more insulted in my life (or hurt, oddly enough).
However, it made me realize that a lot of people have that mentality and the capacity not to differentiate one thing from another, and group things together, even things that don’t have anything to do with each other. Perhaps we, the people trying to get information across, just aren’t verbalizing ourselves well enough.
However! People in key positions could definitely take advantage of that, and most likely all ready have. I’ve read about purposeful disinformation put out by the government to scatter peoples thoughts. They are more intelligent than we know. And this is where I agree with Alex Jones again — they aren’t dumb, they’re sharks.
Certainly you can discuss it with me. There’s no point in hiding it. I fucked up, made a mistake and am paying for it. My immune system is healthy, it keeps the virus suppressed and my doctor has said I won’t have to go on meds for years, if ever.
I’ve been meaning to write a blog about my experience. It’s not a secret that I’m POS to anyone that I associate with.
So feel free to say whatever you feel like. I’m healthy, active and plan on staying that way. San Diego has many programs for HIV+ people that can’t afford care (I don’t pay for any of my medication or my medical treatment so long as it’s at my doctors office.) =)
Aside from all that:
Yes, you’re certainly right. I was called paranoid by someone the other day when I was spouting off about fluoride being dumped in our water, and everyone being a slave to the Federal Reserve system, etc. Some people are going to be open to listening, and others are not.
When I find the information I’ll definitely tell you about it. And I’m sure anything I find will not be the extent of the surplus of information out there and that I’ve read through out the years about AIDS and the government. It’d do you good to look into it too.
Also, you need to be careful when telling people about this stuff. I mean, it’s really easy to jump around from topic to topic and connect the dots — because, believe me, the dots are THERE to be connected, and it really all is not a coincidence, but when focusing on one thing, like the Federal Reserve, try NOT to jump to fluoride being dumped into the water unless it’s deep in a five hour conversation and the people are intrigued. It’ll only work against you. It just also sounds scatterbrained and CRAZY when you’re frantically trying to explain it all. I noticed that taking your time, taking a deep breath, and making small remarks here and there in a conversation yields better results when talking about stuff like this when you have skeptics or “realists” or whatever they like to think they are.
Oh no, totally. I was pretty much doing the whole “connect the dots” thing, giving examples of one statement. But you’re right. I’m gonnna think through my responses a little bit more, and not just get caught in the whirlwind of facts.
Today my focus is on the fact that Prop 8 has passed, so I’m a little bit distracted from all the other crap. =(
We’re all pretty much focused on other stuff right now. <3
cetta…you ARE going to hell
reminds me of: you ARE the weak link
and tell me something i don’t know
All Holidays have pagan origins! Even Christmas. *cough*
I wrote that haha.
i wrote multiple letters to the editor to multiple small country newspapers in my vicinity on this same thing…its on my blog somewhere
<has balls
Link it!
http://ragingrev.com/2008/08/17/to-macon-telegraph-a-letter-to-the-editor-regarding-christmas/
boom
So I was watching The View around this time last year (I was trapped, it was on the tv in the gym! I swear!!) and the girls were talking about Halloween, and one turned to the younger blonde person married to a footballer, Hasselback or something, asking so how are you marking Halloween, and her response? “Oh that’s the Devil’s holiday”. I was floored. I thought people knew better than that. Obviously I was wrong.
Thank you for this post, I do hope it sets some people into serious thinking about why they fear this day.
Me? I don’t mark it, just because I grew up halfway around the world where there’s no such thing as Halloween. Maybe if/when we have kids we’ll start participating, getting them all dressed up, LoL!
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Those dots are the epitome of my reaction to that blond haired girl on The View.
She is always shocking to me. The words that come out of her mouth… I wonder if it’s an act sometimes…
By the way, I wonder how anti-Halloween Christians rationalize those cultures (like yours) that don’t have Halloween as apart of their traditions. How does the Devil get his dues then, huh?
So much irrationality and loop holes.
I don’t think Halloween today has anything to do with the devil. The devil doesn’t need a holiday. Bad things happen everyday to many, many people. But so do many good things.
As far as Santa goes, I think he’s ok as long as children know the reason for Christmas. I have 2 boys, and the younger one still believes in Santa, but if someone were to ask him about Christmas, he’d tell you it’s all about Jesus.
You’re absolutely right. He doesn’t need ONE DAY out of the year. According to Christianity, he is ALWAYS walking the Earth. That is one of the points I made in this post or one of the comments, more or less. Bad things happen daily. Not just on Halloween.
You know, growing up I always knew Santa was fake — You know how my father is haha (and my mother also probably wanted to take credit and let me know about her spending the money LOLOLOL). So I don’t understand the reasoning behind letting your kids not know Santa is fake. It never really mattered to me, and I never really cared about it. And, actually, this may seem even stupid, but as a child I actually felt like I was sort of special knowing Santa was fake, and I had to keep that fact away from Tara and Demi, and that it was a secret me and the rest of the adults had together just between us. Like we were all in cahoots and had to keep up the Santa myth for the benefit of Tara and Demi, LOL. Isn’t it funny how the mind of a child works? This must be how Christopher feels about Ryan believing in Santa (although he’s much older than I was when I felt this).
And to be honest, all I cared about was the gifts. As long as I got those, I didn’t need to know WHO brought them.
So what IS the reasoning of allowing your kids to know about Santa, or letting them believe it’s real?
Believe it or not, Tara and Demi were told by their mother that Santa was fake. She said it was because of religion, but then she said she wanted the kids to know where the gifts came from. She even told me once that she told her children that she bought the gifts and gave them to Santa to deliver.
You are only young once, and even though Christmas should be all about Jesus, I don’t think there is any harm in letting little ones think that there is a Santa. Like I said, my children knew very early on it was about Jesus. Chris knows now and he says he doesn’t know what to ask for. He says he has everything and he know he’s lucky. I guess I’m really the lucky one.
Aunt Lisa doesn’t know what she’s talking about half the time because she can’t remember her statements from before, and contradicts herself that I don’t even think she catches onto it or realizes due to habit of lying LOL (I know that this’ll get back to her if Tara and Demi read this, but I’d tell this to Lisa’s face and HAVE before in debates — catching her in a lot of contradictions and acting dumber than she actually is to get out of things — very clever indeed).
BY THE WAY… LOL @ BUYING THE GIFTS AND THEN GIVING THEM TO SANTA SO HE CAN DELIVER THEM.
HOW DUMB DOES SHE THINK CHILDREN — OR PEOPLE IN GENERAL — ACTUALLY ARE?
Gotta love her. She’s definitely a character haha.
As for you, your kids are great, Christopher is so smart and intelligent (you can tell even by his words, him saying he has everything already and being grateful), and I can just tell from the little bit of time I spent with him. And Ryan is vibrant and energetic, like a boy should be. Rough and rowdy haha. Sometimes a little fresh-face though LOL (what kid isn’t though?). Good for you Lisa.
You got one of each. A gentleman, and a rough wild child. You ARE lucky.
Hey Concetta, can’t change the way people see you. Too bad you have that perception of me. And by the way, there is no such thing as luck, so you and Lisa are not lucky, your blessed. May God Bless You.
Love,
The Black Sheep,
Lisa
You most likely won’t read or understand this reply (or mock it and call it a “book” or “essay”), but here goes:
The Black Sheep? Are you kidding me? Did you not read these comments, and saw what was also said about MY parents — particularly my mother? What is thought and said about you is nothing special. It’s quite ordinary. Nothing black sheepish about it. It’s not “too bad” that I have that perception of you. It’s neither here nor there, and calling yourself “the black sheep” and having ANY sort of pity, or what looks like pity — what is perceived as pity because of YOUR ACTIONS, REACTIONS and WORDS — needs to stop because it is non productive in proving whatever point you’re trying to make.
Also I am forced to have that perception of you by your own actions, words, tones of voice, lies (or “bad memory”) and acting more stupid than you are in regular conversations (I am giving you CREDIT here, take it graciously like a lady), and COMPARING what YOU HAVE SAID in the past to what YOU SAY NOW. It’s not me. It’s you.
Want it to change? Look within. Don’t want it to change? Fine, that’s your right, but this “Black Sheep” “woe is me” violins in the background thing has got to stop. (Note: this is simply how you ACT — if you don’t mean to come across this way, then become more conscious of it). Also, note: Stop grouping together what everyone says about you so you don’t have to take responsibility for ANYTHING and you can look like an angel in EVERYTHING. We’re all right at times, and we’re all wrong at times.
As for me? I could care less either other way. Differences make the world go round. Be who you are or don’t. I’ve dealt with worse.
I’m accepting of whoever you are or whoever you choose to be. It’s a non issue.
PS: I’ve also come up with my own conclusions about you, and didn’t put two and two together from what the family said about you. If I was that type of person imagine what I would think about CONNIE. But, in the larger scheme of things, I adore Connie — getting mad at her and fighting with her aside. We’re all only human.
Anyway love you too. See you soon I hope. Bye!
Jesus loves you, and so do I.
I’m glad to hear it.
i wanna be loved by jebus
Balls so big and low they bang against each step below you on the stairs.
By the way, what did you think of the rough draft of the essay? (I told her to keep working on it and rewording it and that it was FAR from done).
Was it college material? Be brutally honest, since you were a college student and also a teacher, I want brute force honesty. (Note: I know some grammar and spelling was off, I don’t mean about that, but about the tone, was it weak or strong, was it scholarly, would it pass for a college student, etc., or was it grade school level and not impressive at all?)
By the way I heard Bella CRIED when she was read it… WOW. No words for that…
She has had a few essay that I have read. The last one was great. I don’t know what colleges are looking for. I guess it depends on who is reading it. I hope she gets into whichever college she really wants. I’m waiting to read the revised essay.
I don’t know what colleges are looking for either. The idea in the last essay you read was just a better worded way to say the idea in the first essay you read, which was wholly her idea. The message of the last essay tried to stay true to the message in the first essay. But I hear it was more like a STORY than an essay, and I really don’t know anything about school work, considering I’ve never really done it LOL.
I am also judgmental of the writing and think that it’s nothing but a lot of filler. Nothing of substance, or anything to show off a strong academic background (quotes, examples, etc). I don’t know. It could have been better.. Stephanie Meyer probably writes better, and THAT’S SAYING A LOT. Yuck.
i didnt celebrate holidays at all when i was a christian…i was such a fundie. Ignorant retards that dont know the roots of the things they celebrate should be smacked around
That’s debatable to me. I think that it’s good to know what’s going on in your own religion, but really, doesn’t it really only matter the ENDING result, and not how they got there, with Christianity?
And your Church was like THAT? Or was it just you?
I can’t imagine Churches like that… I don’t know what to make of them.
sadly it was just me
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Well at least you weren’t a sheeple to your Church and pastor and congregation…
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… No words, Matt. No words at all.
i was very much a leader, not a follower
I can see that.
So after listening to almost all 5 hours of Dr Deagle, I’ve come to one of two conclusions: he is either simply a nutcase with SOME correct information.
OR
He is an agent of the NWO put out there to tell their plans, but also fabricate intricacies to them that are quite implausible.
I can’t bring myself to believe 100% everything he says, because some of his accusations are absurd and simply explained by “Well this is what my sources told me.”
The energy he gives off is one of distrust, and I think he does more harm than good spouting off some of the nonsense that he does.
how do you feel about Springmeier?
Oh goodness, that’s a whole other type of theory and thought process that Michael probably doesn’t even know much about. Not even worth looking into … Nothing much to do about it.
not worth looking into?
wait a minute cetta we need to talk about this. as nuts as Fritz is…his work is IMPORTANT to the cause.
I think that the causes are two completely different things, and if you want to read anything Fritz says you kind of have to build yourself up to that point.. You can’t go from watching “Loose Change” about 9/11 or learning about mercury in vaccines and ex CDC members saying it’s done on purpose or the CIA bringing in cocaine on purpose to BOOM MPD programming and the occult in the way FRITZ describes it.
It’s too much. It’d turn people off. And it’s two different things completely — even though it’s related in some way, Fritz work is lesser known for a REASON, even among the most well informed people.
Besides, who even knows if half that stuff is true. YOU as an ex-Christian, with no faith whatsoever, believing that stuff (remember the heralding of the anti-Christ and his own “John the Baptist” being shown off as a child — possibly Benjamin Creme, etcetcetc) is pretty much oxymoronic. Or do you pick and choose?
Let’s try to keep it real.
oh you wanna go lets go
I am not picking and choosing—springmeier was an expert on the subject, despite him being absolutely nucking futs, when it came to MC he was THE resource. I have seen the programming and the systems…i know its real because i went inside…down the rabbit hole…this isnt a matter of faith to me.
silly girl
*Shadow box.* Let’s do dis.
Actually I agree with you, to a point. It’s not a matter of FAITH, and if you want to believe how he said these things are done, then fine, but why not believe his stories (like the one about who was Benjamin Creme) or ways to go about taking care of it?
Also all of those people you’ve talked to, dealt with, etc. What if they were all just either A) trying to make a dime, B) absolutely insane and crazy, C) disinformation agents (ahoy Cathy O’Brien and Mark Phillips — or perhaps one is crazy and the other is trying to make dollars and cents), or D) just want attention.
I mean there ARE people who are just simply crazy. And there ARE people who have been manipulated by psychiatrists. I don’t know.. it’s such a hard thing to know about overall.
And also, I’m not saying MC isn’t real — clearly there are even court documents of it happening and congressional hearings and trials. Clearly MK-Ultra DID happen, and the one who shot RFK did seem to be easily hypnotized (and we all know what he wrote in his hypnotized state) with no memory of the assassination actually happening. But who knows if it’s happening in the capacity that it is as Fritz says so.
And why does it matter to US? Why would it matter to people who are still reeling over 9/11 and it being a POSSIBLE inside job? Why do we care if there’s some inter-abuse going on for generations that we can do nothing to stop and is so far removed from our every day life (unlike fluoride being in the water and purposeful pollution being in the air and the NWO coming right for us)?
It’s sick, it’s sad, but at the moment aren’t there bigger things to worry about then someones alleged MPD and what they MIGHT HAVE suffered at the hands of, say, Henry Kissinger? If these people who supposedly escaped this life want to join in the cause and help and tell us all what they know to WARN the common folk, good for them, but most of them really aren’t doing it for that purpose — if so they’d leave out the details of their life until the last minute when someone asks “how do you know all of this?” And even then, they wouldn’t make the details of their life the main focus.
Can it just be that these people simply want attention, and don’t care about the population abroad?
I’ll look into it when I get home tonight.
There are a LOT of Doctor Deagles out there. You’ll come across quite a bit of them. Either they’re nuts or they’re an agent for the NWO, either way it’s a lot of falseness mixed in with truth.
Even some of the sane ones are like that. This is all very iffy stuff.