My eyes, like the rest of the worlds, are looking towards the Middle East.
January 6th, 2009 | 356 wordcountIn comments a friend of mine, Guillaume, sent me this link entitled “STATEMENT BY PROF. RICHARD FALK, UNITED NATIONS SPECIAL RAPPORTEUR FOR HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES”. It goes on to list the violations done by Israel against the people in Gaza. Even though the news was reporting that Israel was trying to be as humanitarian as possible and send aid and food to Gaza, Israel still took out a lot of causalities didn’t they?
Gods chosen people, right? Chosen to kill civilians and make thousands homeless.
It also seems everyone forgets when Israeli forces were holding Gaza hostage only a few months ago, not allowing the Palestinians to get food or water or allowing them to even get their electricity on. Does anyone remember the Exodus INTO Egypt where Gaza citizens walked in - had to give up their guns as they did so - and bought as much food and water as they needed and walked out? Was Israel being as humanitarian as possible then?
According to this article ““The situation is becoming unbearable and more casualties are being seen among the population, the civilian population, including paramedics, including hospitals and ambulances,” said Nasr.
But, there is no indication Israel is ready to call off its campaign, despite international pressure to do so.
Gaza medical officials say the death toll in Gaza has reached 560 people and continues to rise.”
As a friend of mine, Brandon AKA BD in comments, puts it:
Brandon: “International pressure” is a joke.
Brandon: Anymore it consists of one nation telling another nation.
Brandon: “Please don’t do that, we’ll think its bad.”
His solution?
Brandon: You’d need to get alot of the nations (especially the bigger ones, INCLUDING the US) to start sanctions/embargo against Israel, or threaten it.
Brandon: Which won’t happen.
Brandon: That’d actually stop just about any nation from going to war.
Brandon: Or from continuing their war.
I would LOVE to see an embargo against Israel, since they produce almost nothing and live off the fat of other lands — especially the United States.
And also, as you all know I agree with this man more often than not:
Israel Invades Gaza - Ron Paul Responds
I’ll have another post about this soon.
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If the US pulled its support of Israel, both ‘officially’ and in selling them weapons (or anything defense related), you’d see the war in Gaza stop, as they’d now be very vulnerable [not having a major backer to protect them and ward off other nations from engaging them as they please.]
However, you won’t ever see that happen. Partly because they work with us on defense related issues.
Alternatively, if any number of the other significant nations (russia, china, india) gave them a serious threat/warning, they’d have no choice but to re-evaluate their continuining war and violence in Gaza. This probably won’t happen either, why?
None of those nations want to get into an even more polarized position with the US (and europe for that matter), because there’s already enough tension and cold-warring (don’t care if it isn’t a word, I just made it up, it makes sense.)
Think of it this way, as a way of putting it into context…
It’s kind of like two kids in a playground having a fight (albeit quite a serious one, as the deathtolls reflect irl), and while both ‘kids’ would love to get their parents or big brothers involved, those said parents/big-brothers aren’t getting involved in any serious way. AND WON’T.
One of the key reasons the US doesn’t pull it’s support out of Israel is because they’re CRAZY, just a smidge crazier than we are, and THEY HAVE NUKES. We’re the muzzle holding Israel back from using them. As well, it’s too much of a hot spot for the US to make money, AND it is a base for support in an area that pretty much hates us.
The rest of this is to cetta’s post…
As much as what is being done to the Palestinians in Gaza is compeltely deplorable, you obviously haven’t researched much about who controls Gaza and what THEY stand for. Gaza is controlled by Hamas, elected by the people who stand behind them. Hamas puts their missile turrets and military posts directly in civilian areas, so that the damage done is greater. They themselves originally violated the cease-fire agreement between Israel & Gaza, and suspisciously most of their rocket fire attacks into Israel hit unoccupied schools. The death toll in Israel is at 4 or 5 people, while in Gaza it’s in the hundreds. Sounds sketchy to me that Hamas mysteriously manages to keep attacking unoccupied buildings with rockets… Hamas just legalized crucifixion by the way =) They’re almost entirely funded by Iran, go figure. There’s a lot of forces at play here, and the Palestinians are caught in the cross fire.
To Brandon’s comment: We did that to Iraq, and Iran, and look what it did to the PEOPLE of that country. They were unable to wage war, technically yes, but the PEOPLE of those countries hurt terribly.
Israel has nukes, and they aren’t quite so adverse to using them as the rest of the world is. There needs to be some sort of outside control over them, or their nuclear weapons need to be taken away.
A trade blockade with Israel will only hurt the every day citizens of the country, it won’t help stop their near rogue government. As well, if the US pulled their support out of Israel, Hamas and Iran would then go in and attack THEM, and the same thing happening to the Palestinians would happen to the Iraelis. It’s a cluster fuck of problems, and there’s no simple solution.
We’re helping Israel get nukes. Why is it okay for Israel to have nukes and not Iran? The reason that the Muslim world hates us so much is because of things we have done to it, not because they spontaneously wanted to start hating us. It’s a domino effect.
It also sounds sketchy to me that they aren’t hitting occupied buildings. What do you think it means? I believe that it could be done by Israel themselves, just like I believed Israel could’ve destroyed that ship months back and blamed it on Islamic “terrorists”.
Hamas legalized crucifixion? Wow that’s rough. I don’t personally believe in that horrible punishment, but I don’t believe in alot of the things communist China does to people either. Or the United States.
I love how you call Israel a rogue government. It is! Why don’t we just impose a nuclear weapons check on Israel like we did to Iraq and Iran then? Even better yet, come out and say we know they have it for sure because we gave it to them.
It’s not okay for ANYONE to have nukes. They’re completely destructive weapons. What’s even scarier is they have nukes that do minimal damage to buildings and just kill everyone within their radius. Of course, the US has most of that technology =)
If Israel is doing the attacks themselves, we’re venturing into conspiracy theory territory here, because Hamas is claiming responsibility for the attacks. If THAT’S the case, then it would mean there’s a lot more going on than we’re aware of (which is probably already the case anyways.) Hamas is, in my opinion, a corrupt government, and instead of the Palestinians ousting them, they’re standing behind them. Israel is being attacked by Hamas, and though they’re doing overkill in their retaliation, they are simply defending themselves. Again, it was Hamas who originally violated the ceasefire agreement AND stepped up and SAID they did. So if Israel is really doing the attacks, and Hamas is complaining responsibility that means Hamas and Israel are working together for some greater cause…
As far as China goes, they aren’t communist, communism is a lot different than what they’re doing and they’ve given it a bad name. Aside from that, China does do a lot of wrong things, but one thing RIGHT that they’re doing (while it has horrible ramifications) is the requirement of having only one child. They simply can’t afford a population growing exponentially, like India is currently doing, and they’ve gotta do SOMETHING about it…
But back to Israel… The US has so many ties to Israel, and as well did you know the largest number of spies in the US is from Israel? They’re spying on us, we’re spying on them. It’s kind of absurd. I personally think Rahm Emanuel is a spy at the highest level, a spy of some sort. I mean, his father is a Zionist Jew, and he is bringing much of the things he learned in Israel over here (forcing children to go into the military at a certain age for a specific amount of time.) What’s crazy is that anyone I tell about the whole civil-service-training program thing that is OLDER than 25 they say it’s a good thing. When they’re under 25, they’re up in arms going “WHAT!?” When I throw it in the older peoples faces that if they were our age, they would be up in arms, they never have anything to say to defend themselves…
All of this going on in Israel I feel is a distraction for the entire world as the central banks continue to consolidate their power. Our economy is CRUMBLING around us, and in the rest of the world. Unemployment is skyrocketing, states don’t have money. Social security is GONE. The bank accounts that should have hundreds of billions of dollars for social security are EMPTY. And what’s looming around the corner is this discussion of a one-world currency, which leads to a one-world government, and the people need a huge distraction to pull us away from thinking about what policies are being pushed through our government currently.
Turn on C-Span and see what they’re talking about right now (I’m not sure, but it’s probably not to our benefit.)
Read my new blog entry about the economy =)
I don’t think it’s such a far leap to say that it may not even be Hamas making these claims, but a counterfeit like they said Osama Bin Laden on the 9/11 confession tapes wasn’t really him, and how some people say he is dead today.
You could be right about Rahm Emanuel. By the way, did you know that the supposed terrorists that brought down the Twin Towers were being spied on by Mossad agents?
Some people even think the Mossad had a hand in 9/11.
Ex-Italian Prime Minister - ‘9/11 Carried Out By CIA and Mossad’.
As for China, they’re really more like a new form of capitalism. I know they really are not what communism isn’t TRULY about. I do not believe in communism either or agree with it. I’m a free market type of person.
What I meant by I do not agree what China is doing I meant in terms of torture. I’ve read articles about people becoming totally INSANE from the torture China inflicts on them for whatever reason (religious prosecuted in the case that I read — not Christianity, either).
America doesn’t jump to stop them. We are hypocrites!
PS: I don’t think it’s okay for anyone to have nukes, but if a country has them and is telling another country to NOT have them, that is even doubly so not okay.
Well, you could be right about Hamas, but the thing is, Hamas’s leaders are personally coming out and saying these things, legalizing crucifixion, etc. Osama Bin Laden was in hiding, the leaders of Hamas are not.
These subjects deserve more looking into. I just don’t think it’s as black and white as the news makes it, you know?
I totally agree, I’m not watching the news (I don’t even have cable.) I’m reading newspapers and pulling my own conclusions from what I read, and from conversations and dicussions I have with friends.
Oh, there’s going to be a protest here in San Diego on Saturday against Prop 8, I’m considering jumping up on the mic and going into what we need to do to fix our country. I’ll probably get arrested, but it needs to be done.
Oh my god, have someone there with a video camera so that you guys can later put it on youtube. The arrest too.
Hahah, yea. So what I’m gonna do is hop on, give as much info as I can as quickly as I can and try to organize something for after the protest somewhere else. Hopefully I have the balls to get up there and take over.
Here’s another point Brandon made in terms of how things are very interchangeable over there:
Brandon: Cultural melting pot has as many disadvantages as it has up sides.
Concetta: new york is a cultural melting pot
Concetta: there are israelis there that can easily pass for arabs over there.
Concetta: even speak the language
Brandon: Think of it this way.
Brandon: In China?
Brandon: You are not going to see some American dude or some African dude amongst their ranks.
Brandon: You will not see those types of individuals in their organizations, especially the ’secure’ ones.
Basically, my point in it is sort of like this:
We live in a cultural melting pot, that in and of itself makes internal security an ordeal; not to mention, despite how shady our government can be at times (I’m sure Cetta would agree on that part of my statement), they are not ultimately pervasive and controlling like say, China.
You won’t notice alot of ‘Chinese’ defectors or anything of the sort, and that also applies to alot of the countries with very strict, pervasive governments that inspire alot of control and or fear in their citizens.
A ‘defector’ or ’spy’ or ‘internal agent’ could really be just about anyone; ranging from someone established over here in the States for many, many years, even with family in country; or it could simply be a guy who’s fed up with his job and was offered a large sum of money by a foreign agent.
I’d wager to say there are enough loopholes that it’s not so hard for other governments to have contacts and informants within the government agencies and or military.
Regardless, if in the context of a comparison, you took the US and China (or any other country like it) side by side, I’d be completely shocked if there were more defectors from China, or any other country like it you put in the example; or informants for that matter. Probably on a 10:1 ratio, or worse.
It’s harder for there to be defectors in China, but I guarantee you there are. Not to the ratio in the United States, but China doesn’t have a foreign policy that pisses off half the world. They’ve got internal policies that piss off their own people, but they aren’t playing puppet master to the world like we are.
The US has spies in China, no doubt about it. We have spies probably in every country in the world, the government just won’t admit it.